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I need to stop lurking at Toon Zone.

So, I find out Lucy Lawless will be voicing Diana in the Justice League: New Frontier DTV on Toon Zone. This is great news, right? To be perfectly honest, I'd be happier if Joss Whedon cast Lawless as Diana in his new Wonder Woman movie but this is the next best thing.

I think if Lawless or someone other than Susan Eisenberg had voiced Diana on JL/U a LOT of complaints about Diana would have gone away. A LOT of Diana's worst lines on the first two seasons of Justice League would have gone down a lot better if someone more authoritive had said them and SOLD them and not seemed so lame. I'm sure Eisenberg is a perfectly fine actress but she didn't quite have the chops for Diana.

I'm not really looking that eagerly forward to the new DTVs that are out of DCAU continuity. I think it was a mistake to end the DCAU and I think if these movies are a success b.t. should probably see about going back to it for some of the future DTVs. However the casting of Lawless is nothing short of a HUGE win for New Frontier. I'm so impressed that my interest is now definately peaked.

So, why was I shocked to see people at Toon Zone actually CRITICIZING this brilliant casting coup? God, fanboys are impossible. I think this is as big a casting coup as if Christopher Reeve hadn't had his accident and been cast as Superman on Justice League. She's PERFECT for the role and I'm REALLY excited about this. Instead people are taking smacks at Xena because it wasn't exactly a brilliant show. But Lawless did SOLID acting on the series and any faults the series possessed weren't because of her.

Sigh. You can't please everybody. But sometimes I wish people would actually THINK about what they say before voicing stupid opinions.

Date: 2006-12-04 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewie-14.livejournal.com
I haven't been listening to the news in a while.
What is this Justice League: New Frontier? It's a Justice League DTV, but it's not in continuity with the show?
And Bruce Timm and his crew are doing it?

Date: 2006-12-04 03:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
It's not in continuity but b.t. is producing. It's a DTV based on Darwyn Cooke's New Frontier comic but we don't know too much else about it.

Shirley Walker was going to score the thing before she died.

Date: 2006-12-04 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewie-14.livejournal.com
Cool. As long as it's b.t., I'll watch.

Is it under production yet? Expected release date?

Date: 2006-12-04 03:11 am (UTC)

Date: 2006-12-04 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcauyojimbo.livejournal.com
From the few episodes of Battlestar Galactica and Xena I've watched, I would think Lucy Lawless is a perfect choice. But that growing thread on tz continues to stimulate my theory that it serves to only make bt smoke more than he should.

I think the majority of people complaining haven't even read the series, it seems like a bunch of children lied about their age and registered with tz.

Date: 2006-12-04 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
That's probably it. Lawless is a GREAT actress and just because Xena was cheesey doesn't make her a bad one. And you're right, she HAS been fantastic on Battlestar Galactica.

Date: 2006-12-05 05:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] stewie-14.livejournal.com
You should watch more Battlestar Galactica.

Not because it'll change your mind about Lucy Lawless (it'll only confirm it), but because you just should.

Date: 2006-12-05 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
Agreed. :)

Date: 2006-12-06 04:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dcauyojimbo.livejournal.com
I guess I phrased it wrong, but I totally support Lawless as an actress and VA for this version of WW. I also totally support New Frontier, ask Matt, I won't shut up about how great it is.

Date: 2006-12-06 11:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
:)

I have to read it one of these days. If it's as good as Bone I'm sure I'll like it.

Date: 2006-12-04 03:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 90scartoonman.livejournal.com
Don't be bashful, Matt, you're doing more than lurking, you're posting.

And don't let the comments get you too down, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Of course, no one has any idea of how Lucy Lawless will do as Wonder Woman because she's never VOICED Wonder Woman before. The only voice work I can remember her doing is the Hercules and Xena movie as well as The Simpsons, and Lawless is a great singer too.

I liked Eisenberg, she wasn't as stiff as the SF WW (yeah, that's the only comparison I can make, I forget what Lynda Carter sounds like). Maybe she wasn't as strong delivering lines as she could've been, but I think she did a good job.

I have complete faith in Lawless (Phantasm even called it on that big entry I did about actresses to play heroines in live action), the only thing about casting her as a live action Wonder Woman would be the criticism that it's too "on the nose" or something. Like if they made a Legends of Zelda movie soon after Lord of the Rings and cast Orlando Bloom as Link.

Date: 2006-12-04 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
"Don't be bashful, Matt, you're doing more than lurking, you're posting."

I think that's been a mistake. That thread about Lawless reminds me why I left in the first place.

Phantasm DID call it but she's not the only one who think Lawless would be perfect.

Date: 2006-12-04 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] style92.livejournal.com
Firstly: I'm neutral on the news. It's been so long since I've seen Xena that I can't remember her acting well enough to comment on it. If she does fine, that's great. Nothing against nor for her, and I wish her luck with the role.

And secondly: Fan boys are nothing BUT impossible. Fanboys are only happy if they're PISSED OFF about something. Seem counter intuitive? think about it: In real life, you can show your emotions too strongly, so that if something pisses you off, you usually have to just swallow it. On the internet, you do get to be unabashedly pissed off and people love it. It's gratifying just to piss on things. Fans will always find some excuse- ANY EXCUSE- to be pissed off. Don't pay it any mind.


The most rediculous example of this ever? For ten years, all we heard was "put out the original versions of Star Wars on DVD! That's all we want, the original versions!" And they do, and fans acted like this was the biggest affront that George Lucas ever pulled off! Dear God, he did exactly what you wanted him to do, you assholes!

Sigh. So you couldn't resist and your back at toonzone, eh? That's it- I'm figuring out a sock puppet and going back.

Date: 2006-12-04 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
I'm not really back. I've made a few posts but none of them had attracted much attention from the "newbies". Don't get yourself in any trouble. I post about fifty times more in lj than I do on Toon Zone. I've probably made four or five posts in the last month there.

Yeah, I don't get the Star Wars thing either. It's EXACTLY what I wanted (AND in widescreen) and people still complained. Fanboys are annoying. I have the position that if I don't LIKE something, I don't watch it. Sounds revolutionary, I know, but if something doesn't click for me at all, I avoid it. I stopped watching the new Fantastic Four cartoon after four or five weeks.

I need to get the new Star Wars DVDs.

Date: 2006-12-05 08:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 90scartoonman.livejournal.com
Complaining about things help, I mean, it beats living in the real world, doesn't it? The only thing I don't like is when fans complain about things before they happen. I saw the third X-Men movie before I started calling it terrible. I don't like the direction Spider-Man (and Civil War) is going, but I'm going to actually wait until the story ends until I complain too much about it.

Date: 2006-12-05 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattzimmer.livejournal.com
Complaining makes me feel icky. I don't like being mad and complaining is just one step away from that. If I don't like something I don't watch it.

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