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Toon Zone Saga Update!
Jan. 15th, 2006 08:21 amI wasn't planning on going back to Toon Zone but I posted TWICE in the letter writing campaign for JLU thread because the campaign is more important to me than my pride. That last post I made on livejournal I made (with very few changes) I made on Toon Zone. SJJ was the one to reply so I replied back. When he responded to my response he said I was personally attacking him which to be fair I totally was. =D
I said all I needed to say in those last two posts. I don't feel the need to argue about it to prove I'm right. Those last two posts make it perfectly clear where I stand.
"Just when I thought I was out, they keep pulling me back in."
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Originally Posted by SJJ
A comic book is not the same as bring back a multi million dollar cartoon. As I recall it was DVD sales which turned industry heads. As with Futurama. As with Family Guy. JLU/JL needs BIG DVD sales. Naturally letters can NEVER hurt, but there is a misconception on their own they'll shift industry to decide to invest more millions because of the hardcore fans want them to.
That's the big difference. Extras are fairly cheap additions to DVDs compared to series renewal. Screen format even more so. These will help shift DVDs too. So customer feedback is more sensitive than season renewals. The season renewals reflect audience and advertising revenue which will count far more to a decision than letters of protest.
Again, you want JLU I strongly suggest action is put towards buying DVDs than a letter campaign.
Free country. I agree that doing something is far better tha nothing. Then again, I've heard no one in this thread suggest that doing nothing is the best thing, simply that a single letter campaign will not bring back JLU.
If you want to bring back JLU I would suggest putting letters aside for a second and TALK to each other about consolidating. About how to be heard. You are right FB, twenty minutes is nothing and if you all REALLY want a chance, you'll have to do more than twenty minutes if you want to have a hope in hell of seeing this show come back. We're talking EXTENSIVE campaign and BIG, BIG sales is what you need. Personally, I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happily be proved wrong.
You need to do more than write letters guys. Far more I'm afraid! This is far bigger than any DVD campaign. This is fighting the impossible. But then fighting what's possible is no fun, is it?
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Me:
Dude, of COURSE I know big DVD sales are the thing that will decide whether or not the DCAU lives on. But seriously this is your argument? Is there ANYONE on this board who wasn't planning to buy the DVD sets anyways whether JLU was cancelled or not? I might as well tell the DCAF that if we want to live to see the season finale we all had better remember to keep breathing.
I read this entire thread to see how the campaign was going and I was SERIOUSLY pissed off as it progressed. Earlier on you were saying that we should wait to save our letters until an announcment was made and kept telling people that we should coordinate when the time was right. Once nothing CONFIRMED the time was right you are telling us that letters won't do any good! Read the first page of the thread! There were a LOAD of people who were GOING TO send letters but held back because you kept talking about a coordinated effort. Now that the time is right, you don't want to do anything? WTH? You DO realize you and others in this thread have basically gutted ANY momemtum this campaign could of had by telling us we should set a specific time to coordinate and now that the time is here "JLU had a good run" or "letters won't do any good". Well, why didn't you say so in the first place? If you had no interest in helping I have no problem with that but there WERE a ton of people who were GOING TO write a letter and now they probably won't. And I don't blame them.
You keep talking about coordinating a campaign. What does that mean exactly? What do you want us to do? I'm here, I'll take as much time out of my day as it takes but I want to actually do something specific and not either wait around for two months until the DVDs are released or just SAY I'm going to do something and not bother. You don't want to do anything? That's absolutely fine. Just don't try to tell other people not to write letters just because you decided not to after all.
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SJJ made some fair points in his response (some people can't AFFORD DVDs) but I still think I'm right. I'm not posting a response to him on Toon Zone (although he STILL says a letter campaign should be done at "the right time") but I really hope someone points out to him that Nothing said the right time was yesterday and that he probably has a better grasp on the situation than SJJ, who seems to think he is an expert on everything.
That's a total insult to those of us who actually are. =D
I said all I needed to say in those last two posts. I don't feel the need to argue about it to prove I'm right. Those last two posts make it perfectly clear where I stand.
"Just when I thought I was out, they keep pulling me back in."
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SJJ
A comic book is not the same as bring back a multi million dollar cartoon. As I recall it was DVD sales which turned industry heads. As with Futurama. As with Family Guy. JLU/JL needs BIG DVD sales. Naturally letters can NEVER hurt, but there is a misconception on their own they'll shift industry to decide to invest more millions because of the hardcore fans want them to.
That's the big difference. Extras are fairly cheap additions to DVDs compared to series renewal. Screen format even more so. These will help shift DVDs too. So customer feedback is more sensitive than season renewals. The season renewals reflect audience and advertising revenue which will count far more to a decision than letters of protest.
Again, you want JLU I strongly suggest action is put towards buying DVDs than a letter campaign.
Free country. I agree that doing something is far better tha nothing. Then again, I've heard no one in this thread suggest that doing nothing is the best thing, simply that a single letter campaign will not bring back JLU.
If you want to bring back JLU I would suggest putting letters aside for a second and TALK to each other about consolidating. About how to be heard. You are right FB, twenty minutes is nothing and if you all REALLY want a chance, you'll have to do more than twenty minutes if you want to have a hope in hell of seeing this show come back. We're talking EXTENSIVE campaign and BIG, BIG sales is what you need. Personally, I don't think it will happen, but I'd be very happily be proved wrong.
You need to do more than write letters guys. Far more I'm afraid! This is far bigger than any DVD campaign. This is fighting the impossible. But then fighting what's possible is no fun, is it?
Quote:
Me:
Dude, of COURSE I know big DVD sales are the thing that will decide whether or not the DCAU lives on. But seriously this is your argument? Is there ANYONE on this board who wasn't planning to buy the DVD sets anyways whether JLU was cancelled or not? I might as well tell the DCAF that if we want to live to see the season finale we all had better remember to keep breathing.
I read this entire thread to see how the campaign was going and I was SERIOUSLY pissed off as it progressed. Earlier on you were saying that we should wait to save our letters until an announcment was made and kept telling people that we should coordinate when the time was right. Once nothing CONFIRMED the time was right you are telling us that letters won't do any good! Read the first page of the thread! There were a LOAD of people who were GOING TO send letters but held back because you kept talking about a coordinated effort. Now that the time is right, you don't want to do anything? WTH? You DO realize you and others in this thread have basically gutted ANY momemtum this campaign could of had by telling us we should set a specific time to coordinate and now that the time is here "JLU had a good run" or "letters won't do any good". Well, why didn't you say so in the first place? If you had no interest in helping I have no problem with that but there WERE a ton of people who were GOING TO write a letter and now they probably won't. And I don't blame them.
You keep talking about coordinating a campaign. What does that mean exactly? What do you want us to do? I'm here, I'll take as much time out of my day as it takes but I want to actually do something specific and not either wait around for two months until the DVDs are released or just SAY I'm going to do something and not bother. You don't want to do anything? That's absolutely fine. Just don't try to tell other people not to write letters just because you decided not to after all.
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SJJ made some fair points in his response (some people can't AFFORD DVDs) but I still think I'm right. I'm not posting a response to him on Toon Zone (although he STILL says a letter campaign should be done at "the right time") but I really hope someone points out to him that Nothing said the right time was yesterday and that he probably has a better grasp on the situation than SJJ, who seems to think he is an expert on everything.
That's a total insult to those of us who actually are. =D
